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« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2010 »

There is a few good independants standing, and, as Martin Bell showed, they can make a difference to some things (I am thinking of Salisbury and Arthur here) But, having seen bland indifference of the Labour Party, and the Kneejerk mailisms of the Torys, The reason I have been a lifelong Libdem supporter still holds true, they are a credible opportunity, and if everyone who didn't vote for them simply because they don't think they will get enough votes actually votes for them, the tide may yet turn!
(Oh, and watching Clegg interviewed By paxman last night was priceless - Paxo asking the same question again, and again, despite Clegg answering the first time, Paxo is, I am afraid, even more of a tit these days)
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« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2010 »

Time to nail your colours to the mast – in my case a red flag. Despite everything I’m still an unrepentant Labour voter, and almost certainly always will be. I’ll make a prediction here: if the Conservatives gain an overall majority in the forthcoming election, I can genuinely foresee very serious social unrest on the streets of our cities – possibly even riots – within two years of Cameron taking office. The likes of which we’ve not seen since, well, the last time the Tories were in power.

While there is a case to be made for a centre right party, the problem I have is that in these dark days of economic uncertainty what the nation needs is a unified cohesive and inclusive response to this coming crisis. The budget deficit has to be lowered, no reasonable person would argue against that. What the Tories will impose, however, will be an assault on those least capable of withstanding it. By its very nature conservative ideology is socially divisive, coupled with an antipathy to “big” government. What sends shivers down the spine is the almost evangelical fervour with which the Tories intend to cut public spending, something they are predisposed to do, even in times of national prosperity. Watching the leaders’ debates last week it was more interesting the way in which Cameron already has his scapegoats in place: those “fit for work and claiming benefit”. A euphemism for the undeserving poor. It’s a political certainty that unemployment will rise over the next few years as the cuts slash ever deeper, so there is a strong likelihood that, were the Conservatives to take power, public sector workers will lose their jobs on an unprecedented scale. Many of those people will face the added indignity of being labelled “benefit scroungers” by the supporters of the very administration whose policies led them to lose their jobs in the first place.

Despite Cameron’s appeal to middle England, lets not forget that his party has links to at least one far right group – The Polish Civic Democratic Group whose policies include rampant homophobia and denial of climate change, among others. The right of the Tory party never really went away, it merely has lain dormant. If Cameron gets his hand on the keys to 10 Downing Street be prepared to have a kind of strident Daily Mail morality imposed on us by a man richer than Croesus, who promotes marriage over civil partnerships, whilst proclaiming “it’s not the money, it’s the message.”

Another prediction: the volcanic eruption that recently enveloped over much of Europe won’t be the only noxious cloud blocking the sunlight from the low paid, the unemployed and the socially excluded should David Cameron and Gideon Osbourne be given the opportunity to puncture holes the size of Eyjafallakokull’s crater in what has always been the national safety net, imperfect as it as: The Welfare State.

Feel free to disagree.
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« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2010 »

No chance of any disagreement here.
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« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2010 »

I don't often make any contributions to any kind of political issues here, if only for the fact that I do not profess to have that much of an interest in politics, nor do I understand it deeply.

However, many political commentators have been predicting that there is likely to be a hung Parliament, with Nick Clegg's Lib Dem's likely to be the one either the Labour Party or the Conservative Party would want to "jump into bed with". Given Cameron's opposition to PR, it's unlikely to be his party, so a coalition is the most likely outcome, which, IMHO, can only lead to a weak Government and another election before long until one party has a simple majority.

The other racing certainty is that public expenditure will have to be cut at some point in time. As such, where I work, (the HE sector), plans are already in place to reduce jobs in the central administrative roles, as well as one of the academic schools. The "voluntary redundancy" route is being offered first, and will be followed by compulsory redundancies of there is insufficient uptake of the former. My job, like those of many of my colleagues, is therefore at risk.

Whoever gains power after this coming Thursday will pick up a poisoned chalice. Unpopular decisions will have to be taken, in the interests of getting the economy back under control again and yes, jobs WILL be lost - but they will be lost under whoever gets in.
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« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2010 »

I don't necessarily agree that a coalition government would be a bad thing, Kev. After all, during WW2 Churchill led a coalition and that turned out better than expected. Furthermore, I believe both Scotland and Germany have had hung parliaments for years; in fact since its inception in the case of Scotland. Perhaps no party with an overall majority will be a true reflection of how the voters have marked their crosses. I also think that the case for some kind of PR is impossible to ignore.
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« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2010 »

I did say I was no political expert, Dave! Smiley
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« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2010 »

The red flag is flying here too.

In the current economic climate, and the world situation, I find it hard to believe that people in this country are seriously considering electing an unproven, inexperienced leader. I know people have short memories. I know the perception is that there isn't a pick to choose between them. I know that there is the feeling that the last lot have had a good innings and it's time to let someone else have a go.

There's no doubt that we are facing challenging times, and cuts are inevitable under any government, but the philosophy of how and where they will fall couldn't be more different.

The Tory's are more than ready to hand the 'power to the people' -  cooperatives, workers having the power to remove the bosses, parents, churches and charities opening their own schools, autonomous academies and so on. They haven't got enough money to sort out public services, so they are handing them over - and when they fail, which they inevitably will, as these changes are ill-concieved and poorly supported, the only course of action will be to hand them over to the private sector. Then there's no way back.

Public money will not be spent on public spending - it'll pay for tax cuts for the fattest cats and used to find ways to avoid public spending. And don't even get me started on the plans to smash some of the strongest unions -  teachers and headteachers. The national pay agreements will be abandoned under the Tory's, ending 12 years of fairness and equality and relatively peaceful trade union relations.

Labour too will make cuts, but there's a real commitment to preserve as much as possible the areas they have prioritised in the past. Regardless of any criticism I have of the Labour party, I'll never be able to vote against my background, my ancestors, my class or my conscience.


 
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« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2010 »

It has become clear to me recently that this is a time for a redistribution of wealth. It is unjustifiable, in contemporary society, that the top 10 percent of earners own more than 90 percent of the wealth.

Clearly, this disparity is caused by Capitalism. How can it be right, reasonable, justifiable that the owners of the means of production make all the profit whilst those whose efforts produce the profit earn a pitiable minimum wage?

The first line of the American constitution holds that all men are born equal, leaving aside the Patriarchal connotations of such a statement it is clear that those who are fortunate enough to inherit wealth are instantly in a better position to make a living than those who are unfortunate enough to be born penniless.

How can it possibly be right that those who earn salaries, wages, bonuses of a three figure per annum nature pay less tax, or in many cases no tax on their earnings? How can it be right that the owners of the means of production, i.e. the owners of the farms, factories and financial institutions earn ten times more than the workers who produce the profits that those institutions make and then pay less tax or in  many cases no tax at all because they hide their profit in offshore bank accounts, than those everyday people who produce the wealth?

Globalisation, whilst offering much needed opportunity to long suffering peoples in distant parts of the world, has enabled company bosses to hold the British working man to ransom, reducing wages and salaries with the notion that, if we demand a fair day's pay for a fair day's work then production will be moved to parts of the world where labour is, temporarily, less expensive. We are constantly encouraged to 'compete' with foreign workers to produce products that the global society needs and wants in order to produce profit for the owners of the means of production.

Moreover, those who produce such profits are taxed to the hilt whilst the owners of the factories, land and financial institutions have the opportunity, under the PAYE system, to find legal loopholes that enable them to avoid paying tax on the profits generated by the workforce that produces their profit.

Wilkinson and Pickett (2009) have shown that societies that enjoy a greater level of equality in terms of wealth are healthier than unequal societies.

The Labour party is focused on fairness and will fight to ensure that such inequalities become a ting of the past, thus creating a more equal, healthier society in which public spending can be cut as a result of public prosperity rather than as a result of a desire to simply reduce tax for the rich.

I will be voting Labour for a fairer Britain and I urge all to do the same. I have stated, earlier that Cameron is the big bad wolf. He talks all sweetness and kindness like your favourite Granny but if you trust him he will eat you all up.

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« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2010 »

The Tories don’t realise that  for many families the child tax credits are really important. The Tories don’t understand that for those who are suspected of having cancer, the guarantee of seeing a specialist within 2 weeks is vital.  The Tories just don’t get it.  People need the backup and support that Labour promises.  And they need the jobs that will come from the economic recovery which Labour will deliver.

At the start of this election campaign the Tories were telling everyone they would walk in to Downing Street but we know from our conversations on the doorstep that many people are still making up their mind.

This is a big choice and the future for families and for our country is at stake.  Watch our new video, share it with your friends and get them involved

So it’s more important than ever that we get the message out now – about the Tory threat to tax credits, to the cancer guarantee, to the jobs Labour will create and to thirteen years of Labour achievements.

The Tories “Big Society” is a big cop out. People need practical help – not to be told that they should do it all themselves. We need to remind people that unless they vote, and vote Labour, David Cameron might get in to Downing Street by the back door
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« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2010 »

Tragically, in these days of smarm and soundbites, Gordon will never come across as well as the likes of Cameron and Clegg. But he is a serious man and a conviction politician and whatever compromises he has been forced to make, those convictions are deeply held and are integral to a movement that will always have my support. Come on, turn out and vote Labour! Anything but the bloody Tories...

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« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2010 »

I see that Manish Sood who is a candidate for Labour of the North West Norfolk seat has said that G Brown has been the worst PM ever. He is still a Labour candidate.

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« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2010 »

I'd be happy to vote for any party that would ensure my hard earned taxes don't get handed out to the work-shy benefit scroungers whose only ability in life is to procreate, thus gaining yet more wealth via the state!

I'd also be happy to vote for a party that cut the number of uneccesary 'pen-pushers' who bloat the local councils and the NHS.

Does such a party exist, I wonder.....no, not even Labour seems to be able to promise this!
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« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2010 »

I'd be happy to vote for any party that would ensure my hard earned taxes don't get handed out to the work-shy benefit scroungers whose only ability in life is to procreate, thus gaining yet more wealth via the state!
I'd also be happy to vote for a party that cut the number of uneccesary 'pen-pushers' who bloat the local councils and the NHS.

I wonder who Susie-J will be voting for.........
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« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2010 »

...make that vot-ed - posted my vote the other day!
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« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2010 »

Being American, I have no horse in this race. But well
said Clash and Rockrebel.

At least you guys have the option of changing your
government quicker than we do. Eight years of
Bush/Cheney was pure torture.

Literally.
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